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Nights of Gethsemane by StarCrossed (34/?)

  • Feb. 8th, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Even though the corresponding chapter to this one isn't done, I thought I'd go ahead and post this since the last chapter was too much of a cliffy to leave like that. I'm not sure when I will be able to post 35 so don't count on seeing it anytime soon.


Harry threw up. Snape conjured a bowl for him and held him upright in his bed as he puked.

“It wasn’t her. She didn’t die. Polyjuice,” Snape kept repeating as Harry puked and puked even though there was nothing left in his stomach. Snape held him tightly with one hand and removed a vial from his robe. “You must try to keep this painkiller down or else the Dark Lord will be very angry with me.” He pressed the vial to Harry’s lips and poured a rather large amount of the potion down his throat before clamping his hand firmly over Harry's mouth. Harry threw the potion back up, but Snape refused to move his hand and Harry was forced to swallow it back down. He tried to breathe but he choked instead and Snape finally released him as he coughed and sputtered and gasped. Snape sent away the bowl after Harry’s dry heaves finally subsided.

He couldn’t stop shaking. His body felt hot and cold at the same time as it had when Malfoy had tortured him. The pain in his chest was fading but it was still hard for him to breathe. Snape held him up and procured another potion from his robes.

Harry shook his head, unable to find his voice. No more potions. He didn’t trust Snape.

“You need to calm,” Snape insisted. “You don’t want the Dark Lord’s attention now.” He held Harry in place and forced his jaw open. Harry tried to pull away from him but he was too weak to struggle. Snape firmly held him still and used magic to tilt the vial, spilling potion down Harry’s throat. Snape released his jaw and then carefully laid him down on the bed.

“Shall I take the memory away from you again?” Snape asked, placing his fingers on Harry’s pulse.

“She’s dead,” Harry croaked out, grabbing the front of Snape’s robes.

Snape frowned at him. “No, I told you. It wasn’t Miss Granger. They used-”

“She’s dead.” It was all he could see. Hermione on the floor of the throne room with her eyes clouding over. Hermione trying to speak to him as the Avada Kedavra sunk into her chest. Hermione sobbing while they ordered him to kill her.

“LISTEN TO ME!” Snape pinned him against the bed. “HERMIONE IS ALIVE! IT WASN’T HER!”

Harry yelled, “SHE WAS SOMEONE!” He gasped for air and then choked out, “she was someone who died…died because of me. So many people… died… because of me.” He wanted to die. He wanted to kill. He wanted to see Hermione.

“No. No.” Snape released him. “You aren’t responsible for anyone but yourself.”

“She died….” The tears poured down his cheeks and he was helpless to stop them. He released Snape and curled in on himself. He cried and cried as he never had before and it seemed as if his grief was drawn from an endless well and he’d never be able to stop sobbing.

“You didn’t kill her,” Snape assured him emphatically, his fingers curling around Harry’s upper arm as he pushed him onto his back again. His dark eyes fixed on Harry’s and his face was full of concern. “Listen to me. You didn’t kill her. Lucius did.”

“He killed her because of me.”

“He killed her because he enjoys raping and killing women. You had nothing to do with that.” Snape released Harry's upper arm. “It wasn’t your fault.”

“She never should have died,” Harry whispered, not sure if it was an accusation or a plea.

Snape sat up and looked down at Harry. “No. But whose fault is that? Who killed your parents? Who killed Sirius? Who killed Dumbledore? You may blame it all on yourself or on me, but it was the Dark Lord who ultimately brought about their deaths.” He gripped Harry’s right hand tightly. “The Dark Lord is responsible.”

“Voldemort…” He hated him. He wanted him to die. He wanted to tear him to shreds with his bare hands. He wanted to-

“You will kill him,” Snape firmly asserted, his eyes lighting up.

“I will kill him.” Harry propelled himself upright.

“Yes. Yes, you will.” Snape’s eyes were fiery and his grip tight.

“I’M GOING TO DESTROY HIM!” Harry yelled, his anger bursting through the crust of the calming potion, hot as freshly erupted lava. It consumed him and for a moment, he could do nothing but burn in the force of his rage.

Snape’s fingers and face softened and he stroked the back of Harry’s hand lightly. “But not yet,” he said softly. “Not until we find the Horcruxes. Then you will destroy him. But not now. Later.”

“Hermione…” Harry closed his eyes and collapsed back against the bed, the hate draining from him. “I can’t do this. I can’t.”

“You can,” Snape insisted.

He opened his eyes and curled his fingers around Snape’s wrist. “Please, let me go,” he beseeched Snape desperately. “I’ll come back. I’ll kill him. I swear I’ll kill him. I can’t stay here … I’ll die.”

Snape slowly shook his head. “You know that isn’t possible. I’ll die if I set you free. Here I can train you and keep you alive. You are strong, you will get through this. I know you have the strength to do this.”

“I can’t do it if they are going to….” He covered his face with his hands. “If it was her… If it really was her-”

Snape grabbed his shoulders. “Stop that. Listen, I won’t let them. I know it wasn’t her, because I would’ve known if they had captured her-”

“Why didn’t you tell me then? Why did you let me believe it?” Harry demanded, removing his hands and glaring up at him.

“There was no way I could communicate it to you. As I said before, I had no idea what Lucius was planning to do. I was as shocked to see her face as you were. Where they got the hairs, I don’t know, but-”

“Who?” Harry gripped his robes tightly. “Who was it?”

Snape stared at him. “A Death Eater,” he finally said. “She was to die anyway, so don’t let it trouble you.”

“A Death Eater…” His head was spinning. “No, no, I need to know. Prove it! Prove it wasn’t Hermione!”

“How can I do that?” Snape asked gently, releasing Harry. “I am stuck here, the same as you. I cannot leave you right now. They’d hurt you.”

“You will think of something,” Harry insisted. “You brought me the owl. I need to know it wasn’t her.”

Snape remained quiet for a while. “I will try to think of a way. But do you see now why I took the memory from you?”

“Don’t ever do that again.” Harry glared at him. “What other memories have you taken? I want them all back.”

Snape turned his face away. “Part of your capture.”

“Give it back!”

Snape shook his head. “Not yet. Your mind sealed it away originally. Remember how I had to feed you the potions to make you remember? That particular memory was too painful and you wouldn’t stop screaming so I sealed it again. It was of Lucius torturing you. Do you really want to remember more of that right now? You haven’t eaten yet today.”

“I need to know when I was captured. Why I was captured. How I was captured. I need to know,” Harry pleaded.

“I can tell you when but not the other two. Two months ago, I was called to the Malfoy estate with news that you had been apprehended. When I arrived, they had already been torturing you for some time. I stepped in and convinced the Dark Lord to keep you alive and he-”

“Why?” Harry interrupted.

Snape looked surprised. “If you die then the Dark Lord won’t. Do you think I am lying when I say I want him destroyed?”

“Sometimes,” Harry admitted.

The left corner of Snape’s mouth quirked up. “You are impossible.” He paused and then added, “I thought you would give us away in the throne room.”

“No,” Harry shook his head. “I was going for the knife. I was going to cut off my hand so I could have my magic back.”

Snape’s eyebrows shot up. “You would’ve been stopped before that could have happened.”

“Of course,” Harry acknowledged bitterly. “I can’t do anything but what you want me to do.”

Snape scoffed. “If that were true, my life would be a lot easier.”

“How can you stand there and watch them torture me?”

“I do it because I must.” Snape suddenly stood. “Someone is here. Stay quiet.” He pried Harry’s fingers off his robe before striding off quickly, his robes billowing behind him.

Harry lay back against the sheets and tried to collect his wits. The calming potion had muted his feelings but they were so strong he felt as if they would bubble up to the surface again any minute. The memory had been so horrible but he hadn’t wished it away. Snape had taken it on his own and then tried to convince Harry that Harry had asked him to take it. Harry no longer suspected him of taking the memory to hide some sin he had committed, but he still couldn’t forgive him for what he had done. He should’ve asked first. He should’ve given him the choice.

Oh god, he wanted to see Hermione. He needed to know she was still alive. He just couldn’t trust Snape right now and he needed proof. He needed something to assure him that he hadn’t watched one of his best friends die. The fact that Ron hadn’t been with her and they hadn’t made any comments about Weasleys gave him hope. Ron had to have been with Hermione during their hunt for the Horcruxes and if she had been captured, he would’ve been too. He wouldn’t have left her a second time. That knowledge made him lean towards trusting Snape when he claimed that Hermione was still alive and safe, but he wanted something more.

His mouth was dry and tasted terrible so he slid out of bed and shakily made his way over to the sink to brush his teeth. He didn’t hurt anywhere; the painkiller had been quite effective, but all of his senses seemed muted and he had trouble moving. When he returned to bed, he dressed. He hadn’t worn clothes for some time, but he felt the need to be covered up now. His stomach turned as he thought of how he would have to have sex with Snape sometime soon. He didn’t want to be anywhere near the Death Eater now.

As if on cue, Snape stepped back through the library door. He strode into the room and tapped the table with his wand. A tray with porridge appeared and he floated it over to Harry. Harry didn’t really feel like eating, but he knew he should. He carefully added the sides to the porridge, ignoring Snape.

“Let me know if you feel any pain,” Snape said.

“I don’t,” Harry answered him, looking at his bowl.

“Potter….” Snape took Harry’s chair and pulled it to the side of the bed. He sat in it and leaned forward. “I need you to tell me all you know about the final Horcrux.”

Harry glanced at him, his spoon frozen on its way to his mouth. “I don’t know anything really, just guesses. Didn’t Dumbledore tell you anything?”

“He didn’t trust me,” answered Snape, looking very displeased. “Why do you think it is at Hogwarts?”

Harry was surprised Snape admitted that Dumbledore hadn’t trusted him. “Before I was captured, I could see what Voldemort saw. He’s Occluding against me now. He doesn’t want me to see what he is doing. I don’t know why he would need to do that now.”

“He probably fears you will inform me or any other guard of his actions,” Snape mused. “He’s always been secretive, even with his most favoured. Are you sure that he is completely Occluding?”

“My scar doesn’t hurt even when he casts on me.” Harry rubbed the mark on his forehead absently. “I don’t feel his emotions either. I used to know when he was happy as well as when he was angry. I could step inside his mind whenever I wanted.”

“Did this connection work both ways?” Snape asked, frowning.

“I don’t know. Why?”

“If he uses the same method to know when you are in pain, then he should also know when you are pleased. There would be no need for him to use Legilimency,” Snape pointed out.

“He doesn’t know when I am happy,” Harry said with certainty.

“What makes you so sure?” Snape looked at him doubtfully.

“Because I’ve been happy in front of him and he didn’t know.” Harry pushed away the empty breakfast tray.

Snape left his chair, walking over to send the tray away with a tap of his wand. “As I’ve suspected, it must be the manacles.”

“What about them?” Harry looked down at his forearms.

“He wears a matching set. That is how he has been able to bind your magic so securely. I do not know the exact mechanism by which they work, but I suspect that-”

“He has my magic?” Harry felt sick.

“No, of course not. You can’t take another wizard’s magic and use it for your own-”

“I don’t think most wizards have the same connection we do,” Harry pointed out.

Snape looked at Harry sharply for a moment, then he shook his head. “Even so, that is highly unlikely, based upon what I understand about magical theory-”

“Theory,” Harry emphasised. “You don’t know, do you?”

Snape looked very displeased. “It is highly unlikely. If he could do such a thing, which I doubt, then he would probably be required to remain in close contact with you as magic decreases in intensity the farther one is from the source. Furthermore, he has not demonstrated any increase in power since your capture and the Dark Lord has always found pleasure in displaying the strength of his magic.” Snape shook his head firmly. “No, he is merely preventing you from accessing yours. I believe that he spelled the manacles to alert him when you are in pain or have been physically harmed. He wouldn’t have been concerned about monitoring your happiness, as I doubt he could conceive you could be happy in a place like this.”

Harry had trouble believing it himself, but he had to admit he had felt happy at times. He had enjoyed it when Snape had pretended to care for him. He wanted Snape to stop, because he knew it was fake and that the Death Eater was just using him. But… there was a part of him that wanted Snape to continue. He remembered when he had seen Snape in the throne room after the episode with Avery and how the happiness he had felt then had filled him completely.

“But how is this connected to the Horcrux?” Snape asked as he sat back down.

“I have this connection to Voldemort. Not just the one where I could see what he saw. But… we are both alike. Half-blood orphans who found a home in Hogwarts when no one else would accept us…. I know how he felt at Hogwarts. It’s how I felt…. I think he would’ve hidden a part of himself there.” Harry realised how stupid it all sounded, so he quickly added, “Plus, when he tried to get the Defence Against the Dark Arts job, Dumbledore thinks he really came back to hide his Horcrux somewhere in Hogwarts.”

Snape stroked his mouth with his finger for a bit before he asked, “And you have no idea where it would be hidden at Hogwarts?”

Harry shook his head. “The locket was originally in a cave before Sirius’s brother stole it. The ring was in Voldemort’s ancestors’ home. The diary was given to Malfoy to safeguard. The cup was in the vault. I don’t think it would be anywhere out in the open…. It would be somewhere special.”

“And you believe it belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw?” Snape narrowed his eyes.

“Most likely.” Harry nodded. “He had something of Hufflepuff, he had something of Slytherin, so he probably had something of Ravenclaw. Or Gryffindor.”

“I have an idea but I do not want to be hasty. I will look through my books,” Snape said as he stood. Harry thought of Hermione, and a pang went through his heart.

Snape strode out of the cell. “Let me know when you are ready to train.”

Harry lay back down and stared at the ceiling. He knew he should begin training again, but he just wanted to rest. The events in the throne room had left him more exhausted than any physical exercise. He had passed but what did that mean? Would they take him out and put him on display? He was glad Voldemort wasn’t planning on making him a Death Eater. He knew he could never even pretend to be one if murder was required. He was too tired to think. Closing his eyes, he fell into a restless sleep.

~

Snape woke him when he stepped through the library door. He walked into the cell, carrying a book, and spelled dinner on the table.

“The only artefact of Rowena Ravenclaw’s that I have been able to find a reference to is the lost diadem,” Snape informed him. He opened the book in his hands and set it beside the food. “It supposedly confers wisdom to whoever wears it.”

Harry slid off of the bed and stepped over to the table. He sat in his seat and looked at the book, examining the drawing of the diadem. “Luna’s father was trying to build one like it. If Voldemort found it I’m sure he made it into a Horcrux.”

“He wouldn’t wear it,” Snape said dryly and Harry smiled in spite of himself.

Snape closed the book and picked it up. He stepped away to leave the cell and then paused. “Will you need another book soon?”

“No, I’m still reading The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,” Harry answered, looking over his meal. There were more treacle tarts! This time with vanilla ice cream! Harry grabbed the plate they were on and yanked them towards himself. He tucked in immediately, completely losing track of everything but how amazing they tasted. It may have been just because he had not had them in so long, but he thought that Snape’s treacle tarts were the most amazing he had ever tasted. Their crusts were soft and flaky and their insides gooey and warm. The sugary syrup that filled them dripped down his fingers as he ate. He was so absorbed in their taste; he barely noticed Snape leaving as he savoured each bite as slowly as he dared.

He was still eating them when Snape returned and took his seat at the table. Harry ignored him and finished off the last bite slowly, tipping the plate towards his mouth to catch all the ice cream. He did not care if he looked stupid. Once he had finished his dessert, he felt hungry and immediately attacked his pork chops.

Snape summoned tea for himself and drank. “There is another meeting this evening.”

Harry stopped eating. He didn’t think he could bear to be tortured right now. Snape saw his face and waved his hand dismissively. “You won’t be involved. I told them that Lucius’s spell had hurt your back and you needed to rest. I will bandage your chest after you finish dinner and give you a potion to make sleep easier for you. It is highly unlikely that the Dark Lord will insist on waking you.”

Harry relaxed and returned to his meal, watching Snape as he ate.

“Likewise, I will tell the Dark Lord that I was reluctant to perform with you for the same reason,” Snape continued.

“Won’t they be suspicious since I am taking so long to heal?” Harry asked.

“They do not know how effective my new potions are,” Snape answered smugly. “I would like to keep it that way.” He set down his cup. “As I said earlier, the Dark Lord’s attempts to assure the public of your capture have been relatively unsuccessful. Many of his followers have requested that he bring you before the public to silence the doubters. After your display last night, many feel that now would be the best time to provide tangible proof. I do not know if the Dark Lord agrees with them, he has not announced his intentions. However, I believe he will reveal some sort of concrete evidence for his possession of you to the wizarding world soon.”

He paused before continuing, “I theorise two outcomes are likely tonight, if the Dark Lord decides to give the world proof of your capture. The first is that you will be removed from this place to be displayed before the public. I find this scenario the more unlikely of the two as the Order will move to rescue you the moment you are revealed. I believe he is far too paranoid to realistically consider that option and risk losing you, his most prized possession.”

Harry narrowed his eyes at that, but did not interject.

Snape continued, “The second, which I am fairly confident he will choose, would be to select a few representatives of the Ministry and the media to relay the announcement to the wizarding world for him. Either they will be invited here or you will be taken to another well-guarded location. Put escape from your mind … that will not be possible now.”

That was easier said than done. Harry did not voice his concerns out loud but focused on his green beans.

“You may disagree with me, but I think it is important that you remain here for now. The Dark Lord has been lulled into a sense of complacency. Although the Order is still resisting, his control over the wizarding world increases daily and he has been concerned more with legislative matters than the resistance. If you were to escape, his attention would focus on the Order and your other allies once more. I feel that your friends will be safest if you are to remain here.”

Harry wasn’t sure about that.

Snape sent away his cup. “I intend to propose a way for the Dark Lord to demonstrate his mastery over you to these representatives. I will suggest that he give you Veritaserum and allow them to interview you. If this plan is agreed to, then I will instruct you on how to lie while under Veritaserum.”

“Lie under Veritaserum?” Harry frowned. “But won’t Voldemort know that you can lie?”

“Of course, but he’d never suspect you,” Snape pointed out. “I will try to have myself positioned near you during your interview to ensure they ask the right sort of questions. It will be difficult and I will have to train you exclusively on that until the interview is conducted, but I am of the opinion that you would be able to do it if you were sufficiently prepared and determined.” His dark eyes remained fixed on Harry’s, obviously seeking his agreement.

Harry nodded. “I can do it.” He wasn’t weak. He would prove to Snape that he was strong. “But what if they don’t like your plan?”

“Then we will develop new ones.” He stood. “They should arrive shortly. Remove your shirt and stand before me.”

Harry didn’t want to be touched by Snape, but he also didn’t want to be brought before Voldemort, so he reluctantly stood and padded over to Snape. He stood in front of Snape, who removed a roll of bandages from his robes and began to wrap Harry’s chest. His hands moved quickly, his long fingers fluttering as if they felt Harry’s revulsion for them and were reluctant to linger. When Snape was finished, he sealed the bandages and removed a vial from his robes.

“Dreamless Sleep Potion mixed with relaxant.” He explained as he opened it and handed it to Harry. “Drink it all.”

Harry took it from him without touching his fingers and tipped it down his throat. He handed it back to Snape who watched silently as Harry turned and crossed over to his bed. He slid under the covers and glanced at Snape who cleared the table of dishes.

“I will inform you what has been decided on in the morning,” Snape told him. “Try to rest as much as you can.”

Harry closed his eyes and curled up under the sheets. The calming potion and the relaxant made him feel incredibly sleepy. He tried to reach for his anger but he couldn’t bring it up to the surface anymore. He wanted to sleep and somehow erase everything horrible that had happened. He wanted to wake and find himself in Hogwarts with Ron snoring in the next bed over, and Hermione and Ginny in the girl’s dorm. He wanted Snape to return and apologise for taking the memory. He wanted to stop feeling so alone and helpless. It was too much to wish for and he settled for the bliss of dreamless sleep.


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Comments

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[info]mystic_fairy012 wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
wow, that was a bit of a longer chapter. . . i like how snape has his own kind of kindness and tenderness in his own snape like way. . . kinda. . .i am also sad that they are back to square one, and i am sure that snape knows that as well. . . i wonder though, if maybe voldie knows about harry's happiness ans maybe is playing with harry and/or snape. . . but i am not QUITE sure that this point. . . cannot wait for the next chapter, i am free this weekend if you need a chapter betaed!!
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 02:50 am (UTC)
It's just a matter of me finding the time to write it.
[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
I have agree with mystic_fairy's post, this was a truly awesome chapter ^_^ It was long but I loved it :) There seemed to be a lot of complex emotions and events going on that you worked well putting together. There are of course still mini-cliffhangers dealing with being back to square one in the relationship, and proving to Harry that it wasn't Hermione.

[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 02:54 am (UTC)
I want to post again wondering about some parts that were confusing.
This one really confused me:

“He didn’t trust me,” answered Snape, looking very displeased. “Why do you think it is at Hogwarts?”

Harry was surprised Snape admitted that Dumbledore hadn’t trusted him. “Before I was captured, I could see what he saw. He’s Occluding against me now. He doesn’t want me to see what he is doing. I don’t know why he would need to do that now.”

“He probably fears you will inform me or any other guard of his actions,” Snape mused. “He’s always been secretive, even with his most favoured. Are you sure that he is completely Occluding?”

“My scar doesn’t hurt even when he casts on me.” Harry rubbed the mark on his forehead absently. “I don’t feel his emotions either. I used to know when he was happy as well as when he was angry. I could step inside his mind whenever I wanted.”


The reason why it's confusing is because Snape is saying that Dumbledore didn't trust him. Then Harry wonders why Dumbledore didn't trust Snape. Then Harry starts talking about how he could see what Voldemort saw, and Snape and Harry start talking about Voldemort. Now either you really meant Voldemort when you wrote the words Dumbledore, or you forgot some lines in there that switched the subject from Dumbledore to Voldemort. I had to read it over a few times because it didn't make any sense at all.

The other part I didn't understand was this part:

“I can tell you when but not the other two. Two months ago, I was called to the Malfoy estate with news that you had been apprehended. When I arrived, they had already been torturing you for some time. I stepped in and convinced the Dark Lord to keep you alive and he-”

“Why?” Harry interrupted.

Snape looked surprised. “If you died then he wouldn’t. Do you think I am lying when I say I want him destroyed?”

“Sometimes,” Harry admitted.


Snape is talking and says to Harry If you died then he wouldn’t.

I've tried re-reading that section over and over, but I still don't understand what he wouldn't do. It's like the sentence got interrupted.

Anyway those are the two parts that I caught. Hope that helps :)



[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
Shoot, I deleted a sentance and didn't correct for that. I will change that now.

"If you died then he wouldn't" was Snape saying that if Harry died then Voldemort wouldn't die. I can change the "he" to Voldemort there too.
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 03:06 am (UTC)
Hmmm.... I might change that to "If you die, then the Dark Lord won't."
[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 03:25 am (UTC)
I don't know, if this would be a good sentence. I mean it sounds like a big clue that Snape is giving him. Implying that Harry is the only one who can kill Voldemort. I would think that Harry would get suspicious on why he's the only one who can kill Voldy? Even if Voldy got his soul back and Harry died, Voldy could still be killed since he doesn't have the Elder Wand. I can't remember if this story is after OotP or not so that Harry knows about the Prophecy?

Oh I'm just so confused. Either I need more sleep or I'm mixing fanfic and Canon together O.o

Edited at 2008-02-09 03:26 am (UTC)
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)
From the British version of OotP:
'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ...'

'It meant,' said Dumbledore, 'that the person who has the only chance of conquering Lord Voldemort for good was born at the end of July, nearly sixteen years ago. This boy would be born to parents who had already defied Voldemort three times.'

Harry closed his eyes. If he had not gone to save Sirius, Sirius would not have died ... More to stave off the moment when he would have to think of Sirius again, Harry asked, without caring much about the answer, 'The end of the prophecy ... it was something about ... neither can live ...'

'... while the other survives,' said Dumbledore.

'So,' said Harry, dredging up the words from what felt like a deep well of despair inside him, 'so does that mean that ... that one of us has got to kill the other one ... in the end?'

'Yes,' said Dumbledore.
[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 03:37 am (UTC)
OK, things are starting to realign in my brain now. For awhile there, my memories were swirling around like if there were in a Pensieve O.o
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
the icones with the thing you don't do in ravenclaw and stuff
hey, whitestar alpha, I love your icones, that's so cool, where do you get these ?
[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
Re: the icones with the thing you don't do in ravenclaw and stuff
I'm glad you're enjoying them. Here's the link to the icon maker's post. There are loads more brilliant ones :)

http://electra-01.livejournal.com/512.html#cutid1

The Ravenclaw icons came from here:

http://community.livejournal.com/hogwartsicons/169235.html#cutid1
http://community.livejournal.com/hogwartsicons/169803.html#cutid1

Edited at 2008-02-14 11:39 pm (UTC)
[info]whitestar_alpha wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 04:04 am (UTC)
I re-read this chapter and I come up with more comments I want to make :) I can now see the similarity between Harry watching "Hermione" die and not being able to save her and blaming himself and Snape feeling responsible for Lily's death. They are quite similar, only it really wasn't Hermione even though Harry reacts like it was. And Harry has Snape to help comfort him a little, whereas Snape had no one. Dumbledore used Snape for his own plans and manipulated him. I don't think Dumbledore really took into consideration Snape's feelings for Lily enough in order to help Snape overcome his grief. Yes, Snape is using Harry and manipulating him like Dumbledore did with him. It's all such a crazy circle.
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 07:34 am (UTC)
Dumbledore didn't take in Snape's feelings at all. He was surprised when he saw the doe. Poor Snapey...
[info]dixiebell12 wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 07:25 am (UTC)
Yeah Baby! another awesome chapter! *squee*. Now i know why i freaked you out with my predictions(LOL). I was almost spot on ;)

When you mentioned kissing in your notes, I was so hopeing Snape was going to kiss harry to calm him down. Of course harry's lost all his faith in Snape at the moment so he probably would have punched him. I can understand Harry's mistrust and I can't wait for that to show up next time they have sex. I love it with it's get Angsty!

I need to go read it one more time. I was so excited I read it rather quickly *hugs*
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 07:33 am (UTC)
Harry would've punched Snape if Snape had tried to kiss him. Sex is going to be complicated...
[info]dixiebell12 wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 08:04 am (UTC)
Nothing better than complicated sex *grins*

Bring it on!
[info]dixiebell12 wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 08:13 am (UTC)
"“I do it because I must.” Snape suddenly stood. “Someone is here. Stay quiet.” He pried Harry’s fingers off his robe before striding off quickly, his robes billowing behind him."

Was someone really there or did Snape just leave because he didn't want to show his true feelings?
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 08:42 am (UTC)
:x
[info]visitkarte wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 10:20 am (UTC)
Well, I know now that your Severus is really much more IC then anyway. This is the best "mentor-Snape": Hard, unsentimental, concerned and determinated to do all it takes to destroy Voldemort, no matter the costs.

I hope Harry can get to see the point too. I know it's extremely hard for Harry to stay there, alive and as sane as possible, even with Snapes selected "obliviate". I can see his point, but I understand Harry’s Point too. Will he really want to have his fist torture-memories too? Only to make shore he wouldn't miss a single bit?

I fear there is something Harry shouldn't know about Voldemorts real plans with Harry. Maybe Snape hopes, they will never come true, maybe they involve getting Harry killed by Voldemorts Hand: Than we have some kind of "The Forrest Again", only even harder, without the Resurrection Stone and with all the sufferings of the imprisonment before. Poor Harry! But it would make him somehow even the greater hero, wouldn't it?
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)
I think it depends on how much Harry trusts Snape. If Harry trusts him to have his best interest at heart then he won't ask for the memories. If he doesn't trust him, then he will demand them to make sure Snape isn't hiding something from him.

Well... not to give you too many clues... But... there are things that Harry doesn't know about what he needs to do when he goes before Voldemort. Snape hasn't told him that he needs to die. He hinted at it, way back when, but his statement "if you die then he won't" is false because Harry NEEDS to die in order for Voldemort to. Of course, it's not entirely false because Snape could be referring to Harry dying by someone else's hand which would be very bad indeed. Harry needs to die by Voldemort's.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
Very interesting update, but unfortunately I lack time to comment in depth. So, only a couple of points:

Snape hasn't told him that he needs to die.

Does Harry really need to die? It was my impression from DH that he didn't and hadn't and it was Voldy's soul piece that had to die. I was sorta hoping that your Snape would provide alternative means for disposal of Voldypiece.

The Hermione substitute was a DE? This seems rather strange to me, when they could have had a dissenter or a muggle.

Harry is really quite naive and blinkered here. Not that it isn't in character, but he must be a terrible trial for Snape. In your story it seems that they all believe that Harry is the only one who can get rid of Voldy (in canon it is more uncertain and unclear), yet he is still ready to throw his chance away when his friends are threatened. Also, he reproaches Snape for doing nothing - yet surely he knew that that not acting openly was the only way for him to be a secret agent?

I wonder how they can arrive at a truly stable working relationship - let alone anything else. Well, I am sure that you will pleasantly surprise us...



[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
From DH: “Tell him that on the night Lord Voldemort tried to kill him, when Lily cast her own life between them as a shield, the Killing Curse rebounded upon Lord Voldemort, and a fragment of Voldemort’s soul was blasted apart from the whole, and latched itself onto the only living soul left in that collapsed building. Part of Lord Voldemort lives inside Harry, and it is that which gives him the ower of speech with snakes, and a connection with Lord Voldemort’s mind that he has never understood. And while that fragment of soul, unmissed by Voldemort, remains attached to and protected by Harry, Lord Voldemort cannot die.”

“So the boy … the boy must die?” asked Snape quite calmly.

“And Voldemort himself must do it, Severus. That is
essential.”


So.... Dumbledore sure thought that Harry needed to die and that Voldemort himself needed to kill him. There may be another way to get around this, but I think Harry would prefer to know of this.

Also, according to Dumbledore, the prophecy said that Harry had to kill Voldemort, no one else could do it. So in canon I would argue that it is pretty clear Harry had to kill Voldemort.

You assume that Snape was telling the truth about who Harry killed. I think it would be highly unlikely that they would have a random death eater who needed to be murdered or allow harry to murder a former death eater

Harry is just the type who constantly fights against 'necessary evil.' I don't think he is the type who can sit there and watch his friends die. He does understand that, logically, if it comes down to letting a friend die and saving the world, he must let the friend die, but when you are there and watching your friend die...

Psychological studies have shown that people act irrationally when they themselves feel responsible for the death of an individual. A classical example of this is the runaway train test. On one set of tracks is one person and on the other are 10. The train is heading for the 10 people. Throw a switch and you will kill the one at the expense of the 10. Most people will throw the switch. A new scenario, in order to save the 10 people, you will have to push the person onto the tracks. Most people will refuse to do it and let the 10 die. Logically, they are the same. Emotionally, they are different.

Harry understands that Snape had to play his part and couldn't step in. He doesn't hold that against Snape. When he gets angry at Snape, he's getting angry at the system. He takes his anger out on Snape because Snape is representative of that system.

I think Snape understands this. Of course, there are limits to his patience and understanding. He thinks Harry is stupid to be willing to sacrifice the world for his best friend.
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC)
From the British version of OotP:
'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ...'

'It meant,' said Dumbledore, 'that the person who has the only chance of conquering Lord Voldemort for good was born at the end of July, nearly sixteen years ago. This boy would be born to parents who had already defied Voldemort three times.'

Harry closed his eyes. If he had not gone to save Sirius, Sirius would not have died ... More to stave off the moment when he would have to think of Sirius again, Harry asked, without caring much about the answer, 'The end of the prophecy ... it was something about ... neither can live ...'

'... while the other survives,' said Dumbledore.

'So,' said Harry, dredging up the words from what felt like a deep well of despair inside him, 'so does that mean that ... that one of us has got to kill the other one ... in the end?'

'Yes,' said Dumbledore.

Here's where I think canon states that Harry has to kill Voldemort and why Harry would believe he had to do it.

Of course, this all depends on how reliable you think prophecies are or if they can be circumvented which is suggested in the text:

"But, sir," said Harry, making valiant efforts not to sound argumentative, "it all comes to the same thing, doesn't it? I've got to try and kill him, or —"
"Got to?" said Dumbledore. "Of course you've got to! But not because of
the prophecy! Because you, yourself, will never rest until you've tried! We
both know it! Imagine, please, just for a moment, that you had never heard that prophecy! How would you feel about Voldemort now? Think!"

Harry watched Dumbledore striding up and down in front of him, and
thought. He thought of his mother, his father, and Sinus. He thought of
Cedric Diggory. He thought of all the terrible deeds he knew Lord Voldemort had done. A flame seemed to leap inside his chest, searing his throat.

"I'd want him finished," said Harry quietly. "And I'd want to do it."

"Of course you would!" cried Dumbledore. "You see, the prophecy does
not mean you have to do anything! But the prophecy caused Lord Voldemort
to mark you as his equal. ... In other words, you are free to choose your way, quite free to turn your back on the prophecy! But Voldemort continues to set store by the prophecy. He will continue to hunt you . . . which makes it certain, really, that —"

"That one of us is going to end up killing the other," said Harry. "Yes."


(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2008 03:09 pm (UTC)
“So the boy … the boy must die?” asked Snape quite calmly.

“And Voldemort himself must do it, Severus. That is
essential.”


Yes, but DD basically didn't trust Snape at all according to DH retrospectives and attempted to keep him in the dark. Notice how he closed his eyes when he said it. Frankly, I think that Rowling tried to write Snape as much as possible out of the last book and was at pains to prove that DD's relationship with Harry was totally "special" and no, he couldn't have had a similar fatherly/mentorly relationship with Snape (which many fans used to assume). In the end I have to wonder why DD decided to stage his own murder at all, if he had so little further use for Snape. If he wanted a quick and painless death, surely a poison could have done it?

In his posthumious talk with Harry DD said however that he hoped that Harry wouldn't die if he "sacrificed" himself to Voldy - and he didn't. The thing is that piece of Voldy that was lodged in Harry had to be destroyed and for some reason DD decided to look no further than the old AK. Now, if some random DE had done it, then both Harry and the piece would have died. But if it was Voldy, then due to shared blood, protections, and other technobabble Harry had a good chance of survival. Or perhaps the soul piece would have shielded Harry from any _one_ killing curse, and DD just wanted him to gain an additional "sacrificial" protection against LV's magic? I am a bit confused. In any case, DD strongly hoped that Harry wouldn't die and he was right.

Re: the prophecy, I like the second passage better. I.e. that Harry would have an advantage in dealing with Voldy and that Voldy would force the issue until he arrived at resolution. I have a hard time imagining that LV would have been completely and eternally invincible if Harry had failed. Particularly since it seems that anybody could destroy a Horcrux.
Maybe as long-time fantasy and Greek mythology reader I just have allergy against inescapable prophecies that come to pass with rigid inevitability. IMHO they have spoiled many a fine tale.

Re: the girl's identity - I see. I guess that Snape must stop reflexively lying to Harry, as it is bound to bite him sooner rather than later :).
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
Yes, it seemed like Dumbledore had a good idea that Harry wouldn't die. However, he wanted Harry to be convinced that he would die, otherwise he was worried that everything wouldn't work to ensure Harry's return and surivial if he so wanted. JK said that it wasn't assured that Harry would live. There was no magic formula where if Harry had X,Y,Z he would survive. It was his own convictions that brought him back.

Oh, I completely agree. I hate the idea of prophacies that you can't circumvent. However, I think Harry would solidly believe in this prophecy and want to know everything else said in association with it, even something said by a crafty mastermind like Dumbledore.

As to whether Snape believes in the prophacy or intends to allow it to come to pass.... that remains to be seen.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC)
Well, there was no certainity because surviving AK (yet again) is a chancy thing. DD had a theory and he was reasonably sure, but he couldn't know 100%. That is not to say that there couldn't have been another way to free Harry from the soul fragment - and I found it rather unbelievable that in canon DD never even bothered to look for one! I admit that I hoped that in your story Snape had been working on the alternative way of Voldycrux destruction - since he wouldn't even have been told about DD's hope.

My take on Harry's survival is that he was in a place between life and death and could have gone either way, but chose to return. However, I don't think that this situation was inevitable.

As to the whole Snape good/bad thing, I have to say that I personally never found it interesting. If for no other reason that Rowling failed to demonstrate any long-term attraction that Voldy and the DEs could had for a reasonably intelligent and non-crazy person.
LV seemed a plausible option for an angry young man to turn to, but after some 20 years, it should have been rather clear that in return for risk, enslavement and abuse he gave his followers nothing that they couldn't have achieved themselves and in fact got them killed / imprisoned / held back in their ambitions. So, I just don't see an intelligent, proud and gifted man like Snape not yearning to get from under the yoke. Nor did Snape's behaviour in canon give any indication that he intended to fill Voldy's shoes himself. In fact, given Snape's impatience with inefficiency and stupidity, it seems unlikely that he'd have ever aspired to rule Britain /the world. Because even despots have to be very patient and do a lot of grueling drudge work in order to stay on top.

[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
I will address some of these issues later in my fic. I don't want to give away spoilers, so I can't really comment.

However, I have changed the Death Eaters into what I thought that JK wanted to do but couldn't because of the audience of her books. It seems clear to me based on interviews she's given that she intended the Death Eaters to be more like the Nazis. They come across more like the KKK, as you pointed out. In the book you wonder why the hell anyone would join the Death Eaters. Based on what I understand about the psychology of why leaders as chosen, it seems that even with his extreme power and their joint hatred of muggles, that Voldemort wouldn't have any followers. Part of this could be limited to Harry's limitations of a non-impartial observer. He's only observing Voldemort at his worse.
[info]mystic_fairy012 wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2008 08:11 pm (UTC)
hey ^.^
wondering when to expect the next installment hee hee need ma crack hee hee
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC)
Re: hey ^.^
raaaah it's so HARD to wait. PLease please please please ?
squirm and claw.

don't make us wait too long, Lucius is not an as good as you for the torture, I'm so sure

m'not english, sorry for the grammar

and please, on the knees, don't make us wait !
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 16th, 2008 02:29 am (UTC)
Simply wonderful! This story is really addicting. I was just wondering, was Harry being OOC intentional? He has the same undertones as he did in the series, but he's still different. Although it could be that all the potions Snape gave him have started to affect him...lol sorry, I'm ranting. Anyways, my e-mail is hot_for_gerardway@yahoo.com if you'd be interested in letting me beta for you!
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 16th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)
I sent you an email to discuss it!
[info]wwbriankinneyd wrote:
Feb. 16th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
E-lectrifying fiction my friend.
Just read your fic. Praise be to Allah but I have never read anything even comparative to it. So btw check the Icon, funny much? HPE just cropped up in New York and Chicago, and, as someone who 'dabbles' shall we say I called around to a few 'potions masters' I knew and procured some. Cost me twenty friggin' bucks but how could I resist? And you guys know I HAD to ask my dealer if he would accept Galleons (HAAAAA) which caused him to give me a worried look and tell me I should go easy on 'this shit' and call him if I needed him, what a sweetie. Anyway, this lead me on a long and meandering trail of thought that left me with the quite humorous image of Snape in all his black-cloaked glory buying MDMA from my dealer (who is black, 6 feet tall, wears a do-rag and goes by the endearing title of Chaos, lol). Seeing as how Chaos was not willing to accept Galleons I wondered where the Currency Exchange was in Diagon Alley, I came to the conclusion that there's probably a branch in Gringotts, anyway, thought you might enjoy that story and this pic of the very same E I found online, though mine was a bit more green in color, fitting considering I felt like I had been hit with Avada Kedavra 'bout 20 minutes after taking it. Anyway, Ta love, can't wait for the next chapter!
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 16th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: E-lectrifying fiction my friend.
I figure there are 'underground' potion masters in the Potterverse who like to take Muggle drugs and tweak them into perfection. The types of MDMA they have available there is nothing compared to what we have here.

That's a funny story.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 21st, 2008 07:20 am (UTC)
Will there be an update anytime soon? //`.`\ ?
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 21st, 2008 07:43 am (UTC)
I am waiting on one of my betas for 35. I'll post it as soon as I get it back unless she has major corrections.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 21st, 2008 07:46 am (UTC)
Yay! (That was quick. But that's a good thing.) Love your work too.
[info]cuddles80 wrote:
Feb. 23rd, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)
Hi, I've just read your story so far and think its excellent. Your portrayal of SS is excellent and there ar so many interesting questions being raised about th world outside Harry's cage.

Thanks
J
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 23rd, 2008 11:50 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I am preparing 35 for posting now.
[info]cuddles80 wrote:
Feb. 24th, 2008 12:05 am (UTC)
Wow that was a very quick response - timings obviously everything. In all fairness I probably owe you a comment with some attention given to my typing, and less use of the world excellent (my vocabulary is as bad as Harry's). Loving all the literature references, although some of them are new to me. And although I hope things will work out between SS & HP, i can't help but share Harry's suspicion of Snape - he is so vicious in his distance from Harry's immediate emotional wellbeing, although maybe not to Harry's not-so-perfect experience and exposure to the world outside. Thanks again!
J
[info]kibatsu wrote:
Feb. 24th, 2008 12:50 am (UTC)
thanks! I hope that it isn't too hard to understand it even if you haven't read htose works
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